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If you're going to add another API just for Macs, then I'd think just going straight to Metal support would surely be better. |
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I don't think adding Metal would be worth it (although that would be great), but I can see adding Vulkan having a benefit other systems besides Macs. Adding Vulkan would be the primary step and then MoltenVK would provide the macOS specific layer. |
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At this point it isn't worth the effort. Yes, MoltenVK exists but it's not performant enough for low end computers. At this point, what's the point of porting a performance-orriented port if isn't performant?. Metal porting is one possible option, but at this point it would be better to just be another fork, maybe ironwail-metal or something alike. I hope I could do it myself but I don't know how. |
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I have been a long time fan of vkQuake. The UI features in ironwail are great, but I kept thinking why does it not look as good as vkQuake??? See screenshots. The easiest comparison is if you first look at the shotgun. ironwail is dull and there is a big difference in the detail of the foregrip. Then you can see it in the rest of the scene. Nitpicky - Yes. I played various original and mod levels, playing the same level using both ports wondering what was wrong. Then I took the screenshots. Anyway, hats off to the source porters out there and the people making the fantastic mods. vkQuake is still the engine for me with ironwail being a close second. I wish vkQuake had the UI features that ironwail did and hopefully someone will advance a new fork. ironwail vkQuake |
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Looking at the screenshots, the main difference is that vkQuake is using remastered models, while IW is using the original ones. The next IW version (coming soon) has support for remastered models as well - you can try a more recent dev build. Other than that, |
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HI Andrei - I wasn't expecting a response! So, thank you! I used the same id PAK file in both vkQuake and ironwail, the larger PAK0 rerelease. I did also try to match up the options as best I could, setting AA to 16x in both vs the 32x available in ironwail; brightness, contrast etc. Checked to make sure both ports were using my NVIDIA card, used the same monitor etc, etc...
I do have original id Quake PAKs, PAK0 & PAK1. I'll give those a try.
Thanks Again!
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Looking at the screenshots, the main difference is that vkQuake is using remastered models, while IW is using the original ones. The next IW version (coming soon) has support for remastered models as well - you can try a more recent dev build<https://github.com/andrei-drexler/ironwail/actions/workflows/windows_ci.yml?query=branch%3Amaster+event%3Apush>. Other than that, gamma and contrast settings are slightly different - if you match those, the rest of the scene should look identical.
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Greetings Everyone! So I did a fresh install of vkQuake 1.31.2_win64 and ironwail 0.7.0-win64. I created two folders in each source port "id1-original" containing PAK0 and PAK1 and "id1-rerelease" with the single big PAK0 file. To get each screenshot I renamed the folder to just "id1" in sequence and ran each port. Each screenshot is on the same PC, same setup with the same monitor. "id1" Original PAK files, PAK0, PAK1 vkQuake "id1" Rerelease PAK file PAK0 vkQuake It appears that ironwail is limited or limiting the data of the file, whereas vkQuake is using everything. And I certainly do not mean to offend anyone, particularly Andrei. I'm just presenting what I'm seeing. Hope this helps! |
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Good Evening! With some more playing around I figured out what the difference is. vkQuake has an option in the Graphics section to utilize remastered models in the rerelease PAK file. The remasterd models are, of course, not available in the original PAK files which is why the shotgun looked the same in both ports. I could not find an option in ironwail or the ironwail console to turn on the remastered models of the rerelease PAK file. This could just be me. Anyway - more screenshots below to show the option. So, again my nit-picky perspective, visually I like vkQuake. As far as the UI? Its ironwail. I know ironwail can get some crazy frame rates. My system does great with either port! Thanks Again! vkQuake Remastered Model Setting vkQuake Rerelease PAK file with Remastered Graphic Model Setting vkQuake Classic Model Setting vkQuake Rerelease PAK file with Classic Graphic Model Setting |
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There is already the remaster models option inside ironwail. You just need to download or compile a dev build. I believe it will be out in 0.8.0. |
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Awesome - I'll give it a shot!
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There is already the remaster models option inside ironwail. You just need to download or compile a dev build. I believe it will be out in 0.8.0.
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I'm just wondering if the developers had any thoughts on having a bounty for adding Vulkan support to Ironwail.
I completely understand why it wouldn't be a priority since OpenGL is working on Windows and Linux, but macOS has no method or translation layer to use this engine. If Vulkan support was added then MoltenVK (Vulkan-to-Metal) could be used to allow this to work.
Let me know your thoughts :)
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