diff --git a/lib/private/Files/FileInfo.php b/lib/private/Files/FileInfo.php
index 2b6b83a25462c..235656cb4988b 100644
--- a/lib/private/Files/FileInfo.php
+++ b/lib/private/Files/FileInfo.php
@@ -428,4 +428,8 @@ public function getCreationTime(): int {
 	public function getUploadTime(): int {
 		return (int) $this->data['upload_time'];
 	}
+
+	public function getParentId(): int {
+		return $this->data['parent'] ?? -1;
+	}
 }
diff --git a/lib/private/Files/Node/Node.php b/lib/private/Files/Node/Node.php
index 0318ae47784c9..e5bd6221e77d6 100644
--- a/lib/private/Files/Node/Node.php
+++ b/lib/private/Files/Node/Node.php
@@ -59,10 +59,7 @@ class Node implements INode {
 
 	protected ?FileInfo $fileInfo;
 
-	/**
-	 * @var Node|null
-	 */
-	protected $parent;
+	protected ?INode $parent;
 
 	private bool $infoHasSubMountsIncluded;
 
@@ -300,13 +297,13 @@ public function getParent(): INode|IRootFolder {
 				return $this->root;
 			}
 
+			// gather the metadata we already know about our parent
 			$parentData = [
 				'path' => $newPath,
+				'fileid' => $this->fileInfo->getParentId(),
 			];
-			if ($this->fileInfo instanceof \OC\Files\FileInfo && isset($this->fileInfo['parent'])) {
-				$parentData['fileid'] = $this->fileInfo['parent'];
-			}
 
+			// and create lazy folder with it instead of always querying
 			$this->parent = new LazyFolder(function () use ($newPath) {
 				return $this->root->get($newPath);
 			}, $parentData);
diff --git a/lib/public/Files/FileInfo.php b/lib/public/Files/FileInfo.php
index 83ae4adef9204..89637c5807660 100644
--- a/lib/public/Files/FileInfo.php
+++ b/lib/public/Files/FileInfo.php
@@ -299,4 +299,13 @@ public function getCreationTime(): int;
 	 * @since 18.0.0
 	 */
 	public function getUploadTime(): int;
+
+	/**
+	 * Get the fileid or the parent folder
+	 * or -1 if this item has no parent folder (because it is the root)
+	 *
+	 * @return int
+	 * @since 28.0.1
+	 */
+	public function getParentId(): int;
 }