word by word analysis

[bdhrs]

let's start the discussion here

[Devamitta]

Tool for Pāli grammatical analysis.

There is an idea:

• Make all words from sutta in the left column
• In the right columns make drop-down menu where it can be chosen meaning of the words and grammar which is fit.
• Every case is attached with ID from DPD, so in future the document will receive all updates.
• After student chosen all words and grammar in sutta, sutta marked as done by that user, moderator can check, and sutta marked as done by that moderator, and students may see their mistakes.
• After sutta has been finished all related words can be exported to Anki.
• Since DPD has examples, so in those suttas that meaning of the word can be pre-chosen as a draft.
  Example pada 05 (place; position; state) has sentences from SN 22.95, so in that sutta all pada can be pre-chosen as a draft, so it may make work easier.
• Meanings and grammar from finished suttas can be copied to the draft of other suttas in similar conditions.
  For example pada once has been approved in SN 22.95 so in other context it can be mentioned as a draft. When many different meanings had been covered in different suttas, it can give short statistic. (pada 1 30% pada 2 15% and so on). Or % in different Nikayas and so on. It also may make work easier.

[Devamitta]

DPD code from which we start is here - https://github.com/digitalpalidictionary/dpd-db

[bdhrs]

I should be finished with the grammar dictionary after the next uposatha day. That works on a very similar principle to this idea, At that point, it might be helpful to take a quick guided tour of the code.

[vijjo]

Ok, bhante, meanwhile, I'm watching the tutorial on pysimplegui. Hopefully, I'll be able to make a rough sketch of gui that's fit what bhante @Devamitta described.

p/s: Completely off topic, but I'm a close friend with bhante Dhammanana that bhante @bdhrs might meet at Pa Auk Pyin Oo Lwin. Bhante Dhammanana talked with me quite a lot about you, bhante. It's a pleasure to work with you on the project.

[Devamitta]

The requirement about GUI mainly to make it easy to use for people who good in Pāli but bad in technology. Something very simple to use, without code and terminal operations.

[bdhrs]

@hieuvijjo Ven. Dhammañaṇa was very helpful with parts of the exporter code. But I am also happy he gave up his laptop and went to find solitude for meditation. It's always a challenge to find the perfect balance between these mental activities and mental silence.

[bdhrs]

i just remembered a project I tested out a few years ago which was built to do word by word analysis, especially of commentaries. https://www-hk.wikipali.org/ Perhaps there are some ideas that can be drawn from there.

[vijjo]

Currently, bhante @Devamitta seems to want a tool specialized for the class he's teaching at SBS. I think I'll expand his initial concept to something similar to Lute (LWT). Basically, users can click on word and get the DPD meaning after specifying POS or grammar role. The words are synced with DPD and Anki database.

Still, there's much to learn. I'll just do what I can and develop further as I learn more.
My background is not much in programming, just some experience in coding for daily tasks' automation. That's all (plus some willingness to learn). Hope I can offer some help.

[bdhrs]

tell me about Lute, I don't know it.

[bdhrs]

I've finished a first draft of the grammar_dictionary code which generates a list of all possible (pos, grammar, headword) for every inflection in the Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana corpus, and within split sandhi compounds. It produces a few objects, the pickled python dictionary in the output folder is the one that is relevant to your project, it might need a tweak or two later on to make it suit your needs perfectly. Let me know when you want to discuss how to install the db and use this data.

[vijjo]

I've finished a first draft of the grammar_dictionary code which generates a list of all possible (pos, grammar, headword) for every inflection in the Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana corpus, and within split sandhi compounds.

Great, bhante. I’ll read through the code today or tomorrow.

Let me know when you want to discuss how to install the db and use this data.

How about the weekend? Saturday or Sunday, anytime after 2pm. Hieu Vijjo

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[vijjo]

Bhante @bdhrs, perhaps you didn't read the message in time. Perhaps see you sometime next week then. I'll have to do my visa run on the 15th, so anytime after 16th would be ok. Please set a time at your convenience! I'm basically free.

[bdhrs]

Ok how about today or tomorrow after 5pm Sri Lankan, 7.30pm Malaysian time. Drop me an email at *myname* at *popularemailservice* dot *com*.

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 08:15 Hieu Vijjo, ***@***.***> wrote: > I've finished a first draft of the grammar_dictionary code which generates a list of all possible (pos, grammar, headword) for every inflection in the Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana corpus, and within split sandhi compounds. Great, bhante. I’ll read through the code today or tomorrow. > Let me know when you want to discuss how to install the db and use this data. How about the weekend? Saturday or Sunday, anytime after 2pm. Hieu Vijjo On 8 Mar 2023 at 19:42 +0800, bdhrs ***@***.***>, wrote: > I've finished a first draft of the grammar_dictionary code which generates a list of all possible (pos, grammar, headword) for every inflection in the Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana corpus, and within split sandhi compounds. It produces a few objects, the pickled python dictionary in the output folder is the one that is relevant to your project, it might need a tweak or two later on to make it suit your needs perfectly. Let me know when you want to discuss how to install the db and use this data. > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. > You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/APMIMAY7UM6PTTL2Q2JCUTDW3E74HANCNFSM6AAAAAAVKFO5XY> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: <digitalpalidictionary/discussions/repo-discussions/1/comments/5248756@ github.com>

[vijjo]

Done! Bhante.