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A proposal came up in rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620 to slightly strengthen the requirements for references / Box to types with a slice tail.

@scottmcm do you have suggestions for how that should be worded?

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For unsized types, this check considers dynamic information from the metadata:
If `T` has an unsized tail of slice type (`[U]`), it is inhabited of the length encoded in the metadata is 0 or if `U` is inhabited.

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These two lines are for rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620. We didn't explicitly discuss this case in the opsem FCP.

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do you have suggestions for how that should be worded?

I don't have anything concrete.

At least as a mental model -- whether it can be phrased well for a reference I'm less sure -- I wonder if there's a general rule here like saying that the type in the reference must, including looking at the metadata, represent a well-formed and inhabited type. (Part of me wants to say it comes from an unsizing, but there's nothing to unsize to a struct Foo(u32, [f64]); kind of thing, so I don't think that works, but maybe someone can come up with a cleverer phrasing.)

Basically I wish the "length has to be zero for uninhabited elements" and "length bound for non-ZST elements is usize::MAX / sizeof(T)" kinds of things were just corollaries of the general rule, to avoid things like the rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620 (comment) concern.

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So what do you think about the wording I put in this PR?

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Thanks @RalfJung. We talked about this in the lang meeting and agreed we'd expect a lang FCP here if we're changing the language.

@rfcbot fcp merge lang

(Eliding opsem here as it's already been FCPed by the opsem team.)

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I reviewed the proposed rules both for unions and for references, and this looks reasonable to me.

@rfcbot reviewed

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This makes me want a separate language construct for "no, I'm not doing partial overwrite silliness" because this rule has meant that unions are not usable for the cases I wanted, but if this is the right answer for FFI unions and such then so be it.

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🔔 This is now entering its final comment period, as per the review above. 🔔

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(Eliding opsem here as it's already been FCPed by the opsem team.)

FWIW the unsized type part hasn't been FCP'd by us yet, as mentioned above. We can do that in a separate issue or a joint FCP here.

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